"Gayest PK Ever"

[cerealbutton]

+1 this shit is gay and dumb I thought we were going for the exact opposite of pks like this

[Invalid]

+1 Previous Head Knight and faction advisor, this is an extremely stupid pk, it has nothing to do with a mutiny or inciting one, and is just an excuse to try and falsely remove someone from the faction.

[Ambiguous Fruit-Fiend]

-1 i hate rp and i want a shitty brotherhood

[Tuna]

I've avoided making a statement in regards to Licarde's Brotherhood of Steel PK due to how closely involved I am with the situation, but evidently no one has asked us for our side of the story and no one has taken the time to present it here.

Before I share what information I have, it needs to be stated that I was the one who took the screenshot of the evidence, I was the one who reported Licarde up my chain of command, and I was the one who ultimately pulled the trigger - With that said, I'll be sticking strictly to the facts of the situation as to not muddy the waters of the appeal's results.

Everything listed below is all IC knowledge - we are well aware that we should not use OOC knowledge as IC, and we have taken efforts to ensure that we haven't done as such. The only use of OOC knowledge was in regards to discussing Licarde's past within 1.0 CGC.

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Licarde enlisted in the Brotherhood of Steel on 10/8/2025 and received the rank of Senior Initiate the same day for the stated reason : "Level 82, good performance". On 10/12/2025, Licarde was promoted to Aspirant for the stated reason : "Contributed lots to the BOS and is waiting to become a squire.".

On 10/12/2025, an argument occurred within the Brotherhood of Steel Discord regarding Licarde's previous mutiny attempt in 1.0 CGC, to which he made mention of liking the Father Elijah idea of the Brotherhood a lot and that despite a failed mutiny, he was the "best bad Elder" and "made the server interesting for once".

His promotions from Aspirant to Apprentice Scribe are unlogged. On 10/14/2025, Elder Doug Amory posted within IC Announcements that the Head Scribe position was open for those interested and that applications could be submitted for review. On 10/17/2025, Apprentice Scribe Licarde made rank of Head Scribe.

From there on, Licarde began making the first mentions of Father Elijah and his admiration of the man in IC VC channels. Licarde made attempts to talk to Catmop about a potential Brotherhood of Steel event that would involve Zetans contacting humans via ARCHIMEDES II, to which we would begin worshiping as Gods as if it were a sign of Father Elijah's influence, to which Catmop shot down for, and I quote, "Being the most retarded thing I've ever heard". - This conversation with Catmop is what clued the Paladins in that something fishy was happening behind the scenes as several Players were adamantly voicing their displeasure with the idea and yet Licarde proceeded anyways.

During this time, Licarde had begun power promoting a handful of individuals despite HC specifically telling him and others to stop power promoting players and to allow individuals to properly earn their ranks. This is being regarded by Paladins and High Command as Licarde's first breach of the Codex, specifically regarding the overstepping of the High Council in regards to power promoting.

Around this time, the first Mojave Melee occurred without much incident. I only bring this up to provide a frame of reference for the timeline.

After the Mojave Melee, Licarde began to make mention of Elder Doug Amory's absence within the Brotherhood in IC VC channels, specifically mentioning things along the lines of "I might as well be Elder, I'm basically doing all the work anyways" and "The Elder should appreciate everything I'm doing". During this time, Elder Doug Amory had specifically stated in IC VC channels that any and all praise of Father Elijah going forward was deemed as treasonous discussion and would result in an investigation with punishments spanning as far as a PK and a removal from the Faction. After such, Father Elijah talk from Licarde seemed to die down.

10/15/25, Licarde approached Legion for Relations talks. Unbeknown to Paladins+, these Relations talks were not voted on by the High Council and were not approved by Elder Doug; any and all talks with Legion in regards to Relations were done by Licarde behind the backs of the High Council. Paladins noted this and continued to watch Licarde.

As of 10/25/2025, the Paladins received IC knowledge of Mutiny paperwork supposedly signed by three individuals: Head Paladin Agravain, Head Scribe Licarde, and Knight Commander Thomas (Noted to be signed in the absence of Head Knight Kleiner). Upon discussion of these findings, the information was brought to Licarde for questioning to which he claimed that his signature was forged - We chose to believe this and discarded the paperwork whilst continuing to remain suspicious of Licarde. I personally believe that it should be noted that within minutes of these talks with Licarde, our informant was suddenly blocked from viewing the document unceremoniously. When questioned about his signing of the paperwork, Head Paladin Agravain stated that he didn't understand what the document actually was and signed his name without considering the implications. He stated to have removed his signature after questioning. (Whilst the Mutiny document is being posted alongside the entirety of this post, it is not being used as evidence against Licarde - It is expressly being posted for the sake of documentation). 

10/29/2025, the Brotherhood was approached by the MEF in regards to relations talks shortly after the conclusion of the second Mojave Brawl spurred on by Scribe Sue Shii having a general conversation with them during the Mojave Brawl fights. Licarde, instead of informing the High Council of MEF's interest in talking relations with the Brotherhood, chose to immediately welcome them into the Bunker and discuss possible Neutrality and even Cooperation within the Wasteland -Not only had Licarde again gone behind the High Council's back to discuss relations, he previously admitted on 10/19/2025 that the MEF were "functionally permanent enemies" due to the Brotherhood's opposing views. (Images below)

The Paladins began biding their time and waiting until the next notable event occurred to pursue action against Licarde. Whilst waiting the server seemingly died - The Paladins remained active, and so did the Scribes as they were busy with a Research project. During this time, Licarde continued to make various jabs towards Elder Doug via IC VC channels in regards to their inactivity; these jabs consisted of the same dismissive comments in regards to Doug's work, and further posturing of his own activities.

11/05/2025, Licarde said the quote in which the Paladin Commander, Sentinel, and Elder all deemed as language akin to inciting a mutiny; "We must double our efforts in reaffirming his holy place within our brotherhood. His vision must trounce that so-called "Council of Elders", who have defamed the great name of Maxson through countless generations of stupidity". Upon bringing this evidence to Apex, Apex forwarded the information to Jacob in which it was decided that the language was indeed indicative of inciting a mutiny. The next day, Head Paladin Agravain, Elder Doug, and I arrested Licarde and informed him of his crimes to which we summarily executed him.

Through all the documentation, Head Scribe Licarde was deemed guilty of Corruption against the Brotherhood and conspiracy against the High Council via multiple, repeated breaches of the High Council and The Chains That Bind.

In conclusion, if Licarde really cared about the health of Brotherhood and the stability of the Faction, he wouldn't have continuously went behind the backs of High Council whilst attempting to incite a mutiny in order to push his own morals, ideals, and desires onto the Faction. With everything provided, this PK appeal has nothing to do with the vagueness of the PK but rather an attempt to earn a second chance at pushing an ideology on a Faction that had already foiled his plan.

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In regards to the "I was behind a steel door, he shouldn't have heard me" argument, that is patently untrue. Regarding the rules as to what is and isn't discernible in IC, there are no rules which dictate what is and isn't discernible besides the FearRP rule: "You are under FearRP if 2+ people have their weapons aimed at you and are giving commands. FearRP is enforceable within audible and visible range AND reasonable ability to reach the victim."

Additionally, Staff have already set the precedent for what can and can't be heard behind doors with the way Bongo's PK was handled. Bongo said PKable things on his NCR character, despite being behind closed doors and in an enclosed space, and got PK'd for it. With that precedent in mind, its already been established that anyone can hear IC conversations as long as they can be seen or heard regardless of what stands between them.

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This PK of Licarde was overseen by three individual Staff members. Apex and Jacob both approved of this PK, and Catmop preformed it after reviewing the evidence.

[Cam102102]

-1 I've heard rumors once he comes back he's planning to munity. If he does get un-pked, deny any munity request because we were right. It would make staff look really dumb to un-PK someone for a munity and he does one anyways

[Licarde]

1. The Brotherhood using Archimedes to contact Zetans was a joke, and saying that I “proceeded” with the event is a lie. I never brought it up again, and I clarified immediately that I was joking. You will not be able to provide one iota of evidence that I did this.
   
2. Never power promoted anybody, so this is also a lie. Please kindly go into the promotion logs and tell me who I power promoted and when, or when I promoted anybody unduly at all.
   
3. I never said “I might as well be Elder, I’m basically doing all the work anyways.” Those words literally never came out of my mouth. In fact, on numerous occasions I have said how much I understand Doug not being active because he has real responsibilities. My comments you are referring to were in regards to the lack of roleplay direction or intention that was given by HC to the faction as a whole. If you want to dispute this, fine, but do not lie and say that I was besmirching Doug as a person. In fact, I told Doug directly to his face (in-game) that the circumstances of his eldership served to our mutual benefit and that I did not mind doing a lot of the heavy lifting for him.
   
4. Doug, to my knowledge, never said that praise of Father Elijah was deemed as treasonous. Nowhere was this announced, and I had no idea that this was ever said. The announcement doug made following my PK seems to contradict this. It is attached.
   
5. Doug was literally present for the legion talks that you say transpired, and so was Hunter lmfao. This is just wrong and dumb. My initial overture to the Legion was backed by the HC, and they (alongside the Legate) met to approve them.
   
6. Your “informant” who alleges that I wrote the document actually wrote the document himself. This was a serious mistake to post. I had let it go, because it was silly, but the proof that Cam wrote the document himself is readily available and I am happy to post it upon request. There are multiple people who possess this evidence who are in your circle, so either your people hung you out to dry here, or you are lying again. 
   
7. I, as High Command, have the right to talk amicably with other factions about the idea of relations unless explicitly said that it is not permitted. I did not do anything that I was not permitted to do in the case of the MEF. No relations were changed. The screenshot you provided demonstrates me being a good subordinate and informing my superior that I did not violate his ideals about where we stand in relation to the MEF, but actually put him in a position to normalize relations with them at his discretion if he ever changes his mind. You did not attempt to tell me in game at this point that I was acting out of line.
   
8. I won’t deny that I was “posturing” against the Lost Hills factional sentiment, thats just part of the roleplay. I like internal faction disagreement. However, to characterize it in a way that makes it seem that I was being rude to Doug on a regular basis (or really even ever) is dumb. I like Doug, but I also like to make shit interesting lol.
   
9. I have it on good authority that this “documentation” you assembled was performed well after the PK occurred, and you have basically compiled all of this to justify your PK ex post facto. The evidence has been forwarded to management. 
   
10. Jacob also did not “approve the pk” as you put it. I chalk this up to a simple miscommunication. 
    

I don’t even care to further argue all of the mechanical reasons why I should be unpk’ed. I’ve exhausted all of that. I was very happy to let this conflict be decided through RP and combat, but since you’ve taken to the forums and attempted to lie on my name on an OOC basis, this becomes a different matter entirely.

[Cam102102]

Use the whole conversation next time

[Licarde]

Use the whole conversation next time

Attached are screenshots of the edit history timeline of the document, as well as a screenshot of the timeframe of your call with the person who you just so kindly proved wrote the document for you. As you can clearly see, the authorship of the document (including the addition of my name and Thomas') was performed within the timeframe of your call with eopsin (7:39pm to at least 8:39pm). The evidence that you wrote this alongside him is incontrovertible. Thank you for posting that, because otherwise I would have just went to bed. Hail Elijah!

[Cam102102]

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Why would he come to me to write a doc and then ask him to remove my name. He came to me having issue with the elder and if members should have a hearing. Through out the talk i was very against the idea as the claims he came to me with are not out right codex breaks as it is my job to enforce the codex. The only minor one being relations not being voted on. I don't enjoy or like taking part in relations talks so i leave that up to the other HC to agree on. Seeing that was the only issue that is why my name was there. After speaking with other paladins and clearly a way to get the elder out of power i requested my name be removed. At this time paladins have been keeping a close eye on for awhile only adding to our suspicions.

Seeing that we already assumed you were working within the BOS with bad faith. Yes the screen shot was all we provided to staff to have remove. But these many cases and retelling is why you were removed but was not provided to staff. We just neatly compiled our case and reasoning behind your removal 

As for legion and MEF/Fiends. We have thrown around the idea but never came to agree if we were to follow through. Their are logs to back this up but no such go ahead for you to speak or change our standing with them. As the codex states "All final decisions must be approved by the High Council."

As for the quate of you saying you are already doing the job of the elder. I was there and can agree those words were said. I have no video or audio proof but was present for it.

[Licarde]

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Why would he come to me to write a doc and then ask him to remove my name. He came to me having issue with the elder and if members should have a hearing. Through out the talk i was very against the idea as the claims he came to me with are not out right codex breaks as it is my job to enforce the codex. The only minor one being relations not being voted on. I don't enjoy or like taking part in relations talks so i leave that up to the other HC to agree on. Seeing that was the only issue that is why my name was there. After speaking with other paladins and clearly a way to get the elder out of power i requested my name be removed. At this time paladins have been keeping a close eye on for awhile only adding to our suspicions.
Seeing that we already assumed you were working within the BOS with bad faith. Yes the screen shot was all we provided to staff to have remove. But these many cases and retelling is why you were removed but was not provided to staff. We just neatly compiled our case and reasoning behind your removal 
As for legion and MEF/Fiends. We have thrown around the idea but never came to agree if we were to follow through. Their are logs to back this up but no such go ahead for you to speak or change our standing with them. As the codex states "All final decisions must be approved by the High Council."
As for the quate of you saying you are already doing the job of the elder. I was there and can agree those words were said. I have no video or audio proof but was present for it.

You asked him to remove your name because you came to regret your decision and then used it to turn it around as additional evidence against me (hence why it was mentioned in the post). You were in a call for the ENTIRE LENGTH of the document's composition, as the edit history shows. It was you who then shared screenshots of the document, so you had immediate access to the exact wording of the document as well while your signature was present on the paper. Therefore, you KNEW that I did not sign the document at all, because it was produced and given to you in the timeframe of the call (as proven by the screenshots). 

Also: "Throughout the talk I was very against the idea", but you voluntarily put your signature on the entire document....? Come on now.

I never changed our standing with the MEF, as I already said. The screenshot that you provided of the codex literally proves that I have the right to undergo communications. An ambassador is a different thing entirely, where a member of the Brotherhood is appointed to (over a long period of time) be that factions representative to an ally or faction undergoing relations. This is just not really an issue of dispute. 

"Seeing that we already assumed you were working within the BOS with bad faith." This is just a Freudian slip that immediately discredits your statement that " As for the quate of you saying you are already doing the job of the elder. I was there and can agree those words were said. I have no video or audio proof but was present for it", as it is pretty clear that you will be prone to interpret what I say as uncharitably as possible.